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Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby spudski » 01 Nov 2017, 10:33

...I was asked for these, by a few folk who are starting up the game again.

I noticed we haven't got them on the download section of the forum.

Would be nice if a Mod could add them for anyone to use in future for easy reference.

They are very similar to the Subbuteo Advanced rules, with a few extra's thrown in, where the rules didn't cover circumstances that happen on the pitch.

Playing to replicate football on the table is the order of the day.

http://subbuteo.ugocapeto.com/media/131 ... lebook.pdf

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby Puffin » 03 Nov 2017, 18:40

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby ralphtheclaret » 04 Nov 2017, 08:44

It would be good to agree on a set ... there are several small differences between the advanced set and the OS rules and after some thought particularly around the idea of encouraging returning or new players I'd have to say that on balance the OS rules win for me

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby spudski » 04 Nov 2017, 22:27

Nice one Spud :thumleft:
Cheers fella...looking forward to playing next weekend.
It would be good to agree on a set ... there are several small differences between the advanced set and the OS rules and after some thought particularly around the idea of encouraging returning or new players I'd have to say that on balance the OS rules win for me
I agree Ralph...mainly because of the 'ethos' surrounding OS. I know it's not perfect, but many want to play Subbuteo as it was intended.
Unfortunately so many get hijacked by the FISTF crew.
I know it's been spoken about many times, but I really don't understand the interest in FISTF. It is so remote from playing Subbuteo. I firmly believe FISTF is a negative towards more people taking up the game.

Subbuteo puts it's name to it...yet no Subbuteo equipment or rules are used. Totally mental.

Subbuteo is about childlike imagination and trying to replicate football on a table. FISTF....is not that.

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby zulublue » 04 Nov 2017, 23:07

Nice one spud Os rules!
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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby ralphtheclaret » 05 Nov 2017, 08:22

Nice one spud Os rules!
Cotterill mate .. what can I say .. ? You have my deepest sympathies

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby lloydie1109 » 05 Nov 2017, 08:41

I agree Ralph...mainly because of the 'ethos' surrounding OS. I know it's not perfect, but many want to play Subbuteo as it was intended.
Unfortunately so many get hijacked by the FISTF crew.
I know it's been spoken about many times, but I really don't understand the interest in FISTF. It is so remote from playing Subbuteo. I firmly believe FISTF is a negative towards more people taking up the game.

Subbuteo puts it's name to it...yet no Subbuteo equipment or rules are used. Totally mental.

Subbuteo is about childlike imagination and trying to replicate football on a table. FISTF....is not that.
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FISTF are playing Sports Table Football not subbuteo, folk play it as it is their choice, as we play Subbuteo. I play the odd match of FISTF just to give a mate pre tournament practice, personally I prefer the ETF rules, they are Subbuteo and cover all scenarios in a match. the comparison I use is subbuteo/FISTF to snooker/pool, two different games completely.

I much prefer playing traditional subbuteo.

I have thought about setting up a Traditional Subbuteo Association, as I know from the amount of stuff I sell, Mark Parker and Pete Whitehead sells, and the level of sales of old style subbuteo stuff, that there are huge numbers of players out there, its a thought at the moment, I might, when time permits get it going, thoughts please, it would be for Traditional Subbuteo only

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby spudski » 05 Nov 2017, 09:06

Nice one spud Os rules!
Get down to Adams some time mate...hoping to make it a regular thing. A few of us are wanting to play Subbuteo, and even some newbies who are collectors wanting to take it up. Also I agree with Ralph....wouldn't wish anyone having Cotts as manager...a complete nightmare for you. He'll rip the heart out of it.
I agree Ralph...mainly because of the 'ethos' surrounding OS. I know it's not perfect, but many want to play Subbuteo as it was intended.
Unfortunately so many get hijacked by the FISTF crew.
I know it's been spoken about many times, but I really don't understand the interest in FISTF. It is so remote from playing Subbuteo. I firmly believe FISTF is a negative towards more people taking up the game.

Subbuteo puts it's name to it...yet no Subbuteo equipment or rules are used. Totally mental.

Subbuteo is about childlike imagination and trying to replicate football on a table. FISTF....is not that.

FISTF are playing Sports Table Football not subbuteo, folk play it as it is their choice, as we play Subbuteo. I play the odd match of FISTF just to give a mate pre tournament practice, personally I prefer the ETF rules, they are Subbuteo and cover all scenarios in a match. the comparison I use is subbuteo/FISTF to snooker/pool, two different games completely.

I much prefer playing traditional subbuteo.

I have thought about setting up a Traditional Subbuteo Association, as I know from the amount of stuff I sell, Mark Parker and Pete Whitehead sells, and the level of sales of old style subbuteo stuff, that there are huge numbers of players out there, its a thought at the moment, I might, when time permits get it going, thoughts please, it would be for Traditional Subbuteo only
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Totally agree mate...they do play a completely different game, with different materials. Your analogy is a good one. And there are loads, like you say, of Subbuteo items being sold and played with.

What annoys me, is Subbuteo supports Table soccer...yet no one uses it's equipment.

Also Clubs emerge that use the Subbuteo name, yet don't play Subbuteo...only Table soccer using FISTF rules and equipment.

I had hope for a local Club that started up, using the Subbuteo name. Started by someone who had Subbuteo equipment and hadn't played for years. I watched from afar how it developed. People came in who had played FISTF in the past, 'took over' and made it a Club playing table soccer, with FISTF rules and table soccer equipment.

My point being...if you want new people to take up the game, who played Subbuteo when they were a child or younger, using Subbuteo equipment, then it would be a lot more easier and welcoming for them to start and enjoy. Having a few returning FISTF players using 'specialised equipment' is not, imo, going to encourage new people. You might get some previous FISTF players...but they are few and far between.

I seriously believe this is why 'newbies' are less likely to take up the game. Encourage Subbuteo...using equipment people are used to, what they recognise, and don't complicate it and make it too serious.

I've seen it and heard it.

Your idea sounds good mate...

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby lloydie1109 » 05 Nov 2017, 09:27

I know that some in the new Bristol Club are returning players, such as Aaaron Skinner, lovely lad, I knew him in the 80's and 90's on the subbuteo circuit, he wants to play seriously, hence hes playing FISTF.

There is an issue, in that any new or returning player has nowhere to turn to other that the ESA/FISTF, we go on here, saying about OS etc, but outside of the forum who knows about it, not many, hence my idea, I and others would promote it through our sales etc

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby spudski » 05 Nov 2017, 09:31

I know that some in the new Bristol Club are returning players, such as Aaaron Skinner, lovely lad, I knew him in the 80's and 90's on the subbuteo circuit, he wants to play seriously, hence hes playing FISTF.

There is an issue, in that any new or returning player has nowhere to turn to other that the ESA/FISTF, we go on here, saying about OS etc, but outside of the forum who knows about it, not many, hence my idea, I and others would promote it through our sales etc
It's a catch 22 mate....good luck to him if that's what he wants. However it started as a Subbuteo club, and myself and others would have gone along, but FISTF and 'serious' table soccer is not our scene as you know....shame.

However...the good thing that has come out of this, is that four of us are meeting next week to play Subbuteo and hopefully make it a regular thing. Others are showing interest too, so hopefully it will snowball.

I think promoting it through your sales and on social media would be a great idea Paul.

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby lloydie1109 » 05 Nov 2017, 09:37

Come the New year when I should have some time, I will start things moving

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby ralphtheclaret » 05 Nov 2017, 10:00

Small local groups are the key .. maybe it is a case of publicising it more .. having the rules on here would be a major plus as in my view the slight differences in the OS set give more encouragement to new/returning players.

Imagine you've driven miles to a "traditional" event and find yourself up against two or three FISTF players and two or three advanced rules types ...you can't get out of your own half even at a goal kick (figure placement rule) and go home at best pleased because you've had the odd flick and not been walloped by some bloke who plays a nine man defence and spends the game moaning about the old style equipment ?

Now anybody I've played can say what they like but I'd hope whatever the score I'll have played in a way that lets them attack and enjoy the game more than the above scenario ..it takes two to play and we should all be aware of the dangers of frightening new players away .
and I don't mean that in a condescending way either it should be a case of playing the game fairly in the correct manner that encourages newcomers ? For me the joy is in meeting new faces or often people I've known but maybe not met in person from here .. last time it was Ramfan or Adam for example ...

Fun ? I'm not sure .. now contrast that with the OS events we had in Ely and Maidenhead where everyone at least had a chance .. everyone got to actually play Subbuteo for the sake of the game .

A UK OS association I'd back but it needs to start locally
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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby ralphtheclaret » 05 Nov 2017, 10:00

Duplicate post .
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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby ralphtheclaret » 05 Nov 2017, 10:34

Made a mess of editing that long post .. in questioning fun I was kind of asking how someone not used to playing the serious types enjoys playing against them ?

Do they find it off-putting .

The last event was supposed to be a themed OS event but certain folk decided it was an "open" .. to my mind in an OS event you play as whatever team you've been given ..to OS rules with an OS mindset and don't really concern yourself with how your club mates have done or which county they "represent" OS days aren't about that ...they are about enjoying yourself making new friends whilst re-creating some past event or era ?

Well for what it's worth that's my view anyway ...

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Re: Oldsubbuteo Rules...

Postby Puffin » 05 Nov 2017, 10:39

Thoroughly enjoyed our game Ralph. Must do it again soon!
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