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Post by MahlerOO5 » 19 Jul 2008, 05:47

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the best varnishing results need two coats:

1. first a coat of gloss varnish
2. then, once the first coat is dry, a second coat of matt varnish

Does anyone use this method and can vouch for it. I'd rather avoid 2 coats if possible, but if it produces better results...
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Post by ben.staples » 19 Jul 2008, 07:24

What are you varnishing the bases for? Is it to play or to preserve them? If it's to play, if you gte a product called B&F from Norway by John Henning Bergane it acts like a polish too when you buff them up.

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Post by MahlerOO5 » 19 Jul 2008, 09:33

It's not for bases, it's for figures
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Gary

Post by Gary » 19 Jul 2008, 13:24

I have been using a spray matt varnish to tone down some repaints that people have done in gloss, works fine with one coat and makes them look a lot more like an offical hand paint job and of course protects the paintwork

Gary

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Post by MahlerOO5 » 20 Jul 2008, 07:15

I've wondered about buying a matt spray varnish - can you please tell me if it gives a good matt finish. Is it the Humbrol brand you use.
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Post by MahlerOO5 » 15 Aug 2008, 06:14

I was looking at Humbrol spray varnish in Modelzone the other day.

It says on the can that its not suitable for use with enamel paints.

I asked the bloke behind the counter if that means you can't use it on top of humbrol's own range of enamel paints, and he said that was right

Seems a bit odd that they make a spray varnish you can't use with their own paint range...can anyone confirm or correct me on this
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Post by lionofludesch » 15 Aug 2008, 07:47

Why don't you try it, Steve, and see what happens ?

On some test piece obviously.
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Post by Bruno_Valente » 07 Sep 2008, 15:53

Gary Leeds, which is the name of the matt varnish you use?

harry_1983

Post by harry_1983 » 07 Sep 2008, 17:17

The only time i'd use a coat of gloss, then a coat of matt varnish is when I'm applying decals to models.

Decals are much better placed on gloss varnish as it avoids a process called silvering where the decal gets air trapped underneath it.

To be honest, i've not come accross a bad varnish yet, but for the record I use humbrol matt spray varnish (which I'm certain I've used on humbrol enamels at some point!) and I actually use a floor polish called 'future' or 'klear' in place of gloss varnish as its very easy to use in an airbrush and produces great results.

http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html

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Post by MahlerOO5 » 07 Sep 2008, 17:35

Harry, that might have been where I got the gloss then matt thing from, a year or two back I was visiting a few modellers websites

I must say I find ordinary Humbrol matt varnish complete kack as it always leaves a yellowy finish....

Mattcote is a joke as it leaves everything very glossy in my experience...
HW teams needed- 237
OHW; 37,38
RugbyHW: 9,24,27,29,31,33,36 Celluloids: 28 green;39;55

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Post by harry_1983 » 07 Sep 2008, 19:18

I've just had another butchers and I also use Purity Seal (Matt Varnish) from the Games Workshop, you could try giving that a spin!

Bruno_Valente

Post by Bruno_Valente » 07 Sep 2008, 20:10

Harry, do you have any team's picture where you used that Purity Seal that you can show the varnish?

harry_1983

Post by harry_1983 » 07 Sep 2008, 22:09

Hi Bruno, no sorry, i've only used it on model aeroplanes and I can't really recall or identify which ones I used it on as I've not had a problem with Humbrol spray matt varnish either.

Gary

Post by Gary » 07 Sep 2008, 22:14

Bruno_Valente wrote:Gary Leeds, which is the name of the matt varnish you use?
I have used the Humbrol Matt varnish as well normally with no problems but when I painted a team on Friday and then sprayed the varnish on it totally buggered the paint up, the black went grey and the red went very dull. Now it could be that I sprayed it too soon after painting or I was spraying more propelant than vanish (I was spraying indoors so was trying to do a controlled spray rather than gung ho). I will paint up another test player and give it one more go, its possible that the tin has gone off

Hope this helps

Gary

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Post by milziade123 » 08 Sep 2008, 12:07

i agree with using gloss varnish to apply decals!!! after brush onto the figures a matt coat: i use water based matt varnish suitable both for acryly?c and enamels (oil) paint. bought in a fine art shop, but u can use valleyo matt varnish as well.

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