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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby ralphtheclaret » 23 Jan 2017, 10:24

" I and many people prefer a bit more organisation and a bit more interaction with other people"

and the opportunity to dress up in sports gear to play a children's game whilst pretending to be an international sports star ?

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby lloydie1109 » 23 Jan 2017, 10:25

" I and many people prefer a bit more organisation and a bit more interaction with other people"

and the opportunity to dress up in sports gear to play a children's game whilst pretending to be an international sports star ?
Please just do not wear your shorts Ralph :crazyeyes:

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby ralphtheclaret » 23 Jan 2017, 10:56

I don't think I've worn a pair since I stopped playing football about ten years ago ;)

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby ralphtheclaret » 23 Jan 2017, 11:04

lets have it right if these chaps are playing an actual sport they will have a youth policy and some young players coming through and therefore not need to spend their time trying to score points off each other attempting to attract other middle aged men to play their "sport" ? tell me Mr Burns for a man who has spent so many years within the Scottish FISTF ranks what is the youth policy up there and how many under 21 players for example regularly play in Scottish FISTF events ? because I'm guessing that with STF being a proper sport you will have an entire youth structure/coaching set up in place with funding DBS/CRB clearance and so on ? and the same will no doubt apply in England and Wales ? because being a "sport" you will have applied and received funding ? ... or could it be that the elite players of your sport have spent years looking after number one and have neglected to look after the future causing dwindling numbers and a lot of whining about middle aged collectors in anoraks from a different hobby refusing to boost your numbers ?

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby lloydie1109 » 23 Jan 2017, 11:12

All the youth/younger players in years gone by came through the after sales services and promotional events done by SSG, since 2000, there have been none and therefore no new/young players entering the FISTF ranks in the UK. This is a big issue for them, no youngsters=no long term future.

The proposed events by the modern SSG are promotional ones, to attract kids to buy and play with their products. How much publicity you can get at St Georges Park is very minimal

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby ralphtheclaret » 23 Jan 2017, 11:17

Indeed because the "elite" players who play their "sport" haven't given it a minutes thought until such time as they've suddenly noticed a drop off in numbers ... how will they get their international ranking ( yes that's ranking but an easy mistake to make ) points if there is nobody to make up the numbers ? surely a serious "sport" having broken away from the key manufacturer has all this in order ? :roll:

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby lloydie1109 » 23 Jan 2017, 11:21

Basically an big portion of 'elitism' has put paid to the rank and file, and now it seems, it is all too late

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby ralphtheclaret » 23 Jan 2017, 11:23

yes and joking apart that is indeed a great shame for the many good lads who would rather play that game than our's

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby lloydie1109 » 23 Jan 2017, 11:29

Trevor Spencer, who was the SSG boss predicted this when FISTF was formed, he said, that, on the continent there are established Clubs who would carry on developing youngsters, and to this day, whether they FISTF or OS, they do that.
In the UK elitism amongst the top players would diminish the game, he was 100% correct

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby spudski » 23 Jan 2017, 11:34

They lost around £40 thousand and someone lost their job. I am told that the latest events are for kids only
I'd love to know how many kids actually buy and play with the new Subbuteo products.

I'm totally guessing that it's a lot more abroad than here.

I look at the marketing and set up costs, licensing etc and estimate that it runs into £millions.

They must be making money somewhere.

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby lloydie1109 » 23 Jan 2017, 11:39

According to a 'third party' its sold world wide now, but thats on the word of one person, so to get the actual figures would be a job and a half,
or is it a case of PR/Spin

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby spudski » 23 Jan 2017, 11:47

According to a 'third party' its sold world wide now, but thats on the word of one person, so to get the actual figures would be a job and a half,
or is it a case of PR/Spin
Even if it is Paul...they'd have to sell a hell of a lot to make a decent profit, wouldn't you agree...

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby bengi » 23 Jan 2017, 11:50

With all due respect you have made a couple of errors there Bengi

no competitions in OS ? .....Dux bases subject to embargo ?

actually Dux bases are highly sought after
I wrote "dux replicas"

No competitions.. well on the paper, but this opens a new debate that I would like to avoid...

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby lloydie1109 » 23 Jan 2017, 11:52

Talking from my own point of view, it very much depends on where the products are made, if its the far east them basic costs are low.
Without inside knowledge its all guess work Ian.
According to a close source they have or are trying Japan and other new areas for selling, again speculation not fact

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Re: "Old Subbuteo"

Postby lloydie1109 » 23 Jan 2017, 11:52

With all due respect you have made a couple of errors there Bengi

no competitions in OS ? .....Dux bases subject to embargo ?

actually Dux bases are highly sought after
I wrote "dux replicas"

No competitions.. well on the paper, but this opens a new debate that I would like to avoid...
Do you mean the top spin dynamo dux bases Bengi


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