Noob view on Observations on Modern Table Soccer Equipment

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Noob view on Observations on Modern Table Soccer Equipment

Post by Greybudgie » 09 May 2017, 20:37

As previous noted I am looking at getting back into the game after 33 years before I found this great website I contacted a local website reseller who is linked to FISTF the equipment he suggested for the modern game were extreme pitches and goals from
Extreme works and bases figure Tchaaa4 funny enough they all seem very hard to buy online if not impossible?
The local FISTF seems to be agents.

Can I also ask why are the modern bases so expensive when compared to the OS new stuff, to are they specially engineered?
Sorry for my ignorance, OLD Subbuteo seems so much simpler to get back into

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Post by lloydie1109 » 10 May 2017, 06:54

Greybudgie wrote:
09 May 2017, 20:37
As previous noted I am looking at getting back into the game after 33 years before I found this great website I contacted a local website reseller who is linked to FISTF the equipment he suggested for the modern game were extreme pitches and goals from
Extreme works and bases figure Tchaaa4 funny enough they all seem very hard to buy online if not impossible?
The local FISTF seems to be agents.

Can I also ask why are the modern bases so expensive when compared to the OS new stuff, to are they specially engineered?
Sorry for my ignorance, OLD Subbuteo seems so much simpler to get back into
Basically they are independently produced, and most type seem to have a going rate

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Post by ralphtheclaret » 10 May 2017, 08:47

http://www.subbuteoforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=24778

stick to the advice given by Focus unless you have a burning desire to spend a lot of money on bits of inert plastic to travel miles and miles in order to play FISTF rules ? ... see all that new highly engineered stuff ? think about the tale of the emperor's new clothes ;) and then play Subbuteo instead

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Post by Greybudgie » 10 May 2017, 20:01

Thanks ralph your exactly right ! to get two modern reams of the above onto a playable FISTF pitch would of cost (including freight) close to $500 Aust (around 284 british Pounds).

now to trawl ebay and get someone who is prepared to send a Pitch down under. see

http://www.subbuteoforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=24778

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Post by flash fred » 30 Jun 2017, 21:53

Almost the same story as Budgie. Just wishing to check out all the most recent products but cannot find an actual Tchaa aaa or some other sites. Independent but they must have some social media somewhere to advertise. Not wishing to reach pro, but do like suitable equipment.

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Post by ralphbfc » 01 Jul 2017, 14:31

best to ask around on facebook/twitter for sports table football equipment ... look at the ESA page on facebook or search FISTF or if you are outside the UK the home association wherever you live ?

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Post by wearebees » 02 Jul 2017, 06:53

I've bought bases from Daniel Scheen (Tchaa 4) a couple of times, if you look him up on Facebook messenger he's always very helpful.
He was at the ESA Grand Prix in Harrow yesterday & he's a very decent bloke, especially with advice & encouragement for the kids that were there.
Here's his current price list, hope that helps.

https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/167 ... A74C5&dl=1

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Post by algy » 19 Dec 2017, 22:35

PTF Sureshot/Advantage bases offer 90% of the benefit of the modern basbases for a lower price (£8 a set?)
Search the internet or contact my username @ vivaldi.net if you're stuck :)

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Post by Graham H » 08 Jan 2018, 00:28

Also I use www.lpm-online.co.uk I slightly prefer their CLR bases. Dab the base with some top coat nail varnish and they will fly. Yes, I enjoy both traditions. It's good site old subby stuff too.

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Post by Greybudgie » 12 Mar 2018, 23:40

I was able to obtain some second Hand (Tchaa4) Snipers and Arrows, I note these are version 1 there are version 2.0 of both available.
Also was given a set of REAL SOCCER bases as well. I at this stage prefer the Sniper and Real Soccer over the Arrows.

Here in Australia the Table Soccer (FISTF/WASPA) is going well friendly bunch of people very helpfull with quite a few clubs established.

Some of the things I find a little off putting in the "Modern Game" and I take it this goes back to the mid 70's when FISTF wrote the rules and standard on equipment

The oversized keepers! I take it these game from the Toccer Sets (I like all figures the same scale)
The 7-3-0 Formation (Not sure is this allowed in OldSubbuteo?)
Figures that are not painted (Not sure is this allowed in OldSubbuteo?)
The ability to Curve and swerve Gone with the flat bases and astropitches (I am told some players can still do this and the Tchaa4 sake bases might help)

Some of the clubs down under do run the odd OldSubbuteo tournaments, I am nearly a 100% certain there is no real ORGANISED OLDSubbuto clubs?, most of the guys/girls over 40 all started with the Subbuteo game.

Thanks for the feedback am about to purchase my first set of bases and look at getting some Figures painted in the next week or so

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Post by lionofludesch » 23 Mar 2018, 12:12

Where's the game played in Australia these days ?

I fancied a game when I was out there but couldn't find a contact. Mind you, it was 20 years ago and tinterweb wasn't what it is these days.
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Post by Greybudgie » 23 Mar 2018, 12:21

lionofludesch wrote:
23 Mar 2018, 12:12
Where's the game played in Australia these days ?

I fancied a game when I was out there but couldn't find a contact. Mind you, it was 20 years ago and tinterweb wasn't what it is these days.
The Modern game is played at the following Clubs. Some run Old Subbuteo tournaments ae well.
http://subbuteoaustralia.com/?page_id=82

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Post by lionofludesch » 23 Mar 2018, 16:20

:thumleft: I like Deportivo de la Katoomba. :thumleft:
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Re: Noob view on Observations on Modern Table Soccer Equipment

Post by algy » 04 Apr 2018, 17:53

The toccer keepers are, or at least should be, the same dimensions as one of the '50s flats goalkeepers turned upside down. They look bigger because the figure itself isn't oo scale. Personally i'd have just banned older keepers and just made everyone use the capped lightweight one, but that ship's sailed.

The weird 7-3-0 formations come from the plastic players inability to track back (outside of blocking flicks). Typically 'real' football teams do have 7+ men behind the ball and maybe 1 player at most deep in opposition territory. It's basically the same situation but exaggerated as, unlike real football, the players are far less mobile - one moving at a time.

The oldsubbuteo guys on here will perhaps dispute those, but them's the reasons they're as they are. The latter tactics are quite a lot older than the fistf game tho, our league of 8 year old kids rarely saw people play with less than 6 defenders and we hadn't played by anything but 1989 club edition rules....

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Post by lionofludesch » 05 Apr 2018, 20:38

Sadly, I agree with Algy.

7-3-0 is a realistic formation. 10-0-0 is a common formation to defend a corner or free kick around the penalty area.

Watch a soccer game. See for yourself that it's true. Don't decide what you want the answer to be and then make the facts fit.
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