new bases for old skool tastes?

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new bases for old skool tastes?

Post by Guest » 27 Mar 2006, 04:22

I haven't played actively in 15 years nor bought any teams or other equipment in 25 years, so I'm a bit overwhelmed by the wide variety of modern bases. I probably don't even know all the types available now, so I'd really appreciate some professional help here:

Which bases should I consider ordering, if I don't want to give up curling flicks altogether? It seems curling is still 20-30% of my game, and I'm not likely to end up in any serious FISTF competition. Oh, and I still have an Astropitch.

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Post by Vikash » 27 Mar 2006, 05:18

Hank, have a look at what's available on these websites:

http://www.thatsmagnificent.com/

http://www.stefancorda.co.uk/

http://www.subbuteoworld.co.uk/

http://www.astrobase.it/

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!! :p 8-)

Cheers!

Vikash.
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Post by Guest » 27 Mar 2006, 07:34

Cheers, Vikash! It's just that I had indeed glanced through those websites and more - and that's exactly why I'm still a bit confused by all the choice, see?
I didn't find a page that would actually compare hands-on the different varieties, especially from a curler's point of view. The Italian site's "How to choose the bases" seemed the most promising, but the english-language page was "under construction"...

Just judging by the merchants' own hype, it would seem Stefan Corda's Image2 might be a promising choice - would that be a safe assumption? How do they compare with the "flatter two-piece base" that comes automatically with the teams from Subbuteoworld? Also, at ThatsMagnificent teams come with different bases, but they don't really tell you how their flicking qualities compare. How about Santiago vs. Image2?

See, it's a jungle out there for someone who hasn't even seen a new base/figure since the 80's!

Taff

Post by Taff » 27 Mar 2006, 09:15

Hi Hank and welcome to the forum.

This is a tricky question to answer without knowing exactly what you want to do as far as playing is concerned. Is it going to be just for fun or do you have plans to play some FISTF tournaments at some point in the future? If you are then it would probably be advisable to start trying to learn how to play with the much flatter pro bases because the "straight line" game is accepted as the norm for tournament play. There are very, very few, if any, successful "curlers" playing the circuit.

All the manufacturers bases have their pros and cons so it would probably be helpful if you could find some other players close to you so that you can try some different styles and find which ones suit you the best. Having said that I am sure if you contacted Neil Lishman at
http://www.stefancorda.co.uk/
you will find him very helpful and willing to send you some samples of his different bases to try out. He has the full range from "curling" style, the Image II, to flat pro bases, the Raptor range. They are all very good and pretty economical to buy as well.

Astrobases are some of the most expensive on the market, and finding a combination that suits you can be a bit daunting as there are so many variations in the weights, heights etc. You can almost build any variation you want from their range. Having said all that they are probably the preferred choice of most tournament players, not because they are the best but more historically for many years they were the only manufacturer available so became accepted as the norm, and players have just got so used to them now that most are reluctant to change.

http://www.thatsmagnificent.com/

do a more traditional range of equipment. Closer to the kit that you were probably used to using in the 80's. So consequently are more aimed at the playing for fun "Subbuteo" rather than "Table Soccer", a subtle difference in name and one that is much debated on different forums, so if you want to play exactly as you did in the 80's they would be worth taking a look at. Chris Stapleton, who runs it, is a fantastic guy and I am sure would be more than helpful to you.

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Post by Vikash » 27 Mar 2006, 09:42

Taff's on the button there, Hank. It really is difficult to say which base is suited to your style of playing... You're the only one who'd be able to decide that :roll:

I have found the Subbuteo 2003 (produced by Astrobase) and the Raptor G2's by the Stefan Corda Company to be the best. My opinion, so let's leave it at that. You gotta try some bases out to know what best suits your style of playing the game.

By the way, I am a right sausage when playing the game, so would get whipped by most - if not all - of the forum members :lol: , so don't take my posts regarding bases too seriously.

Be good and have a wonderful week, my buddy.

Flick on ;) 8-)

Vik.
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Post by Guest » 27 Mar 2006, 10:41

Thanks Taff & Vik for your troubles & patience with me. I do realize the only definitive help would be to experiment for myself, but since that's not really an option (no proper leagues in Finland anymore), I was wondering how come there doesn't seem to be any web pages comparing hands-on experiences with different bases.

Also, I did mention in my first post that I'm not likely to travel to any FISTF tourneys, so I don't need to be competitive on that level. For me, curling is a big part of the Subbuteo fun, but I guess not many others are into that anymore?

Would you guys even go as far as to say that whatever curler-friendly modern base I choose, I'd have no chance against a serious amateur, since their straight-gliding would be so superior?

Oh, and thanks also for tipping me off as to the willingness of the manufacturers to actually take the time to personally help out an undecided customer. And free samples to boot? That's what I'd call the best way to attract my business!

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Post by Vikash » 27 Mar 2006, 10:51

It's a pleasure to help out wherever we can, Hank. Of the modern bases I would say the SCC Image bases would be more to your liking. Or you might want to stick to the "traditional" Subbuteo Heavyweights and/or Lightweights.

I think it would be best to get in touch with Neil Lishman of The Stefan Corda Company. That fellow is very helpful, and one of the nicest people ever! :p

Forgot about Flick Master... Try these chaps:

http://www.flickmaster.com/english/index.htm

Cheers!

Vik.
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How about that ever elusive kudo

Guest

Post by Guest » 27 Mar 2006, 12:53

Another solution (If you can) is to attend a club meeting, play a few game, and see if people will let you try some different players/bases...

I know everyone in SDGTFC wouldn't hesitate in letting you do this, I am sure every other club around is the same,

also remember, that astrobase (my personal favourite, in tri c6 anyway) come in a huge number of different 'sizes' im not sure which would best replicate a standard hasbro etc base, (some else on this forum will know) but this would allow your curling, and be very slick on the table

but expect to wait 6 weeks for them if you order specific ones direct from italy

iougs

Post by iougs » 27 Mar 2006, 20:11

Try modern replicas of HW figurines like Zeugo or Santiago ... They usually behave better than vintage HWs.

Stefan Corda and Flickmaster make bases with high sides, good for the curl.

A quite under-rated base in my opinion is the Subbuteo 2003, aka Parodi ... it's kinda in between a retro base and a modern base ... can be curled and slides pretty nicely for the best of both worlds. You also have the quit versatile SSTV sports figures but some say they should not be allowed on a pitch :D

Cheers and beers,
iougs-

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Post by Guest » 27 Mar 2006, 22:07

I play a retro curling game only. Not against anybody, just me playing a Subbuteo League, right vs left hand, commentating. I'm not very good either. But I really enjoy it and because I played with heavyweights when I was a kid, the curling game with those great moulded players is the one for me.

So if you want to combine curling with a traditional aspect (more Billy Bremner than David Beckham) I'd opt for one of these 5 figure/base types:

- Original Subbuteo Heavyweight (OHW): An expensive way to play!
- Classic Subbuteo Heavyweight (HW): Not as expensive, but not cheap either.
- Santiago 1: Great reproduction of OHW, slightly lighter than its Subbuteo original.
- Santiago 2: Ditto reproduction of HW.
- Zeugo: Again a reproduction HW. I'm not fond of them having gloss rather than matt paint but they're a good figure.

I'm interested though to hear that some modern bases are good for curling too. I didn't realise that. I'll have to give them a try. It gives me a great excuse to try a Stefan Corda anyway!

Graeme
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Post by Guest » 28 Mar 2006, 01:51

Now we're talking, thanks again everybody!

When I wrote there are no leagues left in Finland, I also meant there are no clubs that I know of where I could try out different bases, so these kinds of comments are exactly what I was looking for.

Now, if anybody had first-hand experiences in comparing those Santiagos with Image2s, I'd be all set!

Guest

Post by Guest » 30 Mar 2006, 14:48

Forgot to mention that the Zeugo teams come in two flavours...

Regular (slightly flatter base)

Or Curling (Does what it says on Tin)

Subbuto World sell these, Sorry if any other traders do em, but Sub Wrld are the ones I know sell them

just put Zeugo in the product search thingy

Guest

Post by Guest » 31 May 2006, 08:46

Vikash wrote:Hank, have a look at what's available on these websites:

http://www.thatsmagnificent.com/

http://www.stefancorda.co.uk/

http://www.subbuteoworld.co.uk/

http://www.astrobase.it/

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!! :p 8-)

Cheers!

Vikash.

http://www.extremeworks.it

:G

Guest

Post by Guest » 31 May 2006, 12:17

extreme works wrote:http://www.extremeworks.it
:G
thanks - but can they be curled? ;-)

mike2502

Post by mike2502 » 31 May 2006, 20:51

Hank,

I've played with Santiago and Image 2 bases and would say that the
Santiagos look more like HW bases than Images but are quite a bit
lighter (and thus less stable). However, I understand some people here have added a bit of extra weight (another washer or a bit of blutac were mentioned I think) and greatly improved their performance.

The Image bases play more like a HW base but don't look like a traditional subbuteo base, being one piece of solid nylon.

The only way to really find out is to borrow some or buy some.

All the best,

Mike

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